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For all the recent advances in the field, humanoid robots, they say, have been overhyped and face daunting technical challenges before they move from science experiments to a replacement for human workers.</p><p>&#34;We&#39;ve been trying to figure out how do we not just make a humanoid robot, but also make a humanoid robot that does useful work,&#34; said Pras Velagapudi, chief technology officer at Agility Robotics.</p><p>Agility currently has hundreds of its Digit robots working with customers, including <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AMZN\">Amazon</a>.com and auto-parts company Schaeffler. They perform tasks including picking up items and moving them around a warehouse.</p><p>As robots like Digit have begun to find niches of demand, some analysts and technology executives have begun to predict a looming humanoid robot wave.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/9748f1a930b938c7430f70702e97adbd\" alt=\"Pras Velagapudi speaking at the Humanoids Summit with a robot illustration on screen.\" title=\"Pras Velagapudi speaking at the Humanoids Summit with a robot illustration on screen.\" tg-width=\"700\" tg-height=\"525\"/><span>Pras Velagapudi speaking at the Humanoids Summit with a robot illustration on screen.</span></p><p>Velagapudi is skeptical. Getting human-shaped robots into warehouses or industrial sites to move boxes is one thing, he said; building a robot butler is beyond the industry&#39;s current capabilities, with current robots too unreliable to perform complex tasks.</p><p>Then there is safety. According to a survey of executives, the cost of installing robots is the biggest reason companies avoid deploying robots, said Ani Kelkar, a partner at McKinsey. For every $100 spent on deploying robots today, only around $20 is the actual machine, with the rest being spent on equipment and systems designed to protect humans from injury, Kelkar said.</p><p>In theory, a humanoid robot won&#39;t need the same safeguards as an industrial arm that might weigh thousands of pounds and operate at high speeds. <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">Tesla</a>&#39;s Optimus robot stands approximately 5 feet 8 inches tall and weighs 125 pounds; Unitree&#39;s G1 is even smaller at 4 feet and 77 pounds.</p><p>But the gulf between the promise of the technology and what it can do today is wide, Kelkar said. &#34;We&#39;re doing a big extrapolation from watching videos of robots doing laundry to a butler in my house that can do everything,&#34; he said.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/3746e5cd04efe53df0f1b063299738d3\" tg-width=\"1200\" tg-height=\"900\"/></p><p>At the recent Humanoids Summit in Mountain View, Calif., touted as the world&#39;s largest gathering devoted to the subject, Isaac Qureshi used a virtual-reality headset to control an early prototype of a robot designed to clean office spaces.</p><p>The chief executive of the recently formed company that makes it, Gatlin Robotics, followed behind the robot as it attempted to scrub a brick wall.</p><p>&#34;Slowly, we&#39;re going to teach the Gatlin robot more things, like starting with dusting, surface cleaning, trash bins and then the toilet, &#34; said Qureshi. &#34;Toilet&#39;s a big North <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/SGU\">Star</a>.&#34;</p><p>On stage at the summit, one startup founder after another sought to tamp down the hype around humanoid robots.</p><p>&#34;There&#39;s a lot of great technological work happening, a lot of great talent working on these, but they are not yet well defined products,&#34; said Kaan Dogrusoz, a former Apple engineer and CEO of Weave Robotics.</p><p>Today&#39;s humanoid robots are the right idea, but the technology isn&#39;t up to the premise, Dogrusoz said. He compared it to Apple&#39;s most infamous product failure, the Newton hand-held computer.</p><p>Launched in the 1990s amid a wave of hype about personal digital assistants, the Newton was a commercial failure that was canceled after only a few years. Just a decade later, however, hand-held computers would become ubiquitous with the launch of the iPhone.</p><p>&#34;Full bipedal humanoids are the Newtons of our times,&#34; Dogrusoz said.</p><p>Weave is building laundry-folding robots, which are being used in some San Francisco laundromats. But even the founders whose robots are finding some market traction see risks in encouraging the notion that the technology has arrived.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/9263603a2ba8551f2fbbde866f663364\" tg-width=\"675\" tg-height=\"900\"/></p><p>&#34;I think we have to have this sense of responsibility about the timelines we are talking about, the adoption timelines,&#34; said Nicolaus Radford, CEO of Persona AI, in a keynote address at the summit.</p><p>Company leaders say there is a narrow set of roles where humanlike robots make sense today, including performing simple, repetitive tasks such as moving boxes. Persona is building a welding robot for a shipbuilding company, a function Radford said is ripe for roboticization because the danger involved makes labor hard to find. For something like robot butlers, the market is farther off, he said.</p><p>The cautious, if not downright gloomy, outlook by leaders and engineers of humanoid robot companies stands in contrast to forecasts made by some of the biggest names in technology.</p><p>Elon Musk predicts that demand for humanoid robots will be &#34;insatiable&#34; and has said that Tesla aims to produce one million of the company&#39;s Optimus robots a year by 2030. <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NVDA\">Nvidia</a> CEO Jensen Huang has said he believes the world is on the cusp of making everything that moves robotic. &#34;Humanoid robots, the technology that makes it possible is just around the corner,&#34; Huang said on a podcast in January.</p><p>Optimists like Musk and Huang see a confluence in trends behind their predictions. Billions of dollars are being spent on data centers to train the artificial-intelligence models that will power future robots. The aging of populations in many countries means there will be fewer workers as well as a growing cohort of elderly people in need of care. Governments also see robots as a way to win manufacturing jobs back from overseas.</p><p>Beyond the macroeconomic trends, improvements in battery and motor technology mean that robots are becoming more adept at mimicking human motion and can work for longer periods. Earlier this month, the CEO of one of the hottest robot startups, Figure AI, posted a video of the company&#39;s latest humanoid bot jogging in a manner eerily similar to a human.</p><p>Dozens of robot startups are attracting huge investments, with around $5 billion being invested in humanoid robots this year, said Kelkar of McKinsey.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/cd011fc9f57dfe7fa4e16cde2876f528\" tg-width=\"675\" tg-height=\"900\"/></p><p>FEV Consulting, which advises many robotics companies, predicts that by 2035 there will be around one million humanoid robots at work. Holding back the expansion is a lack of training data for robots, with many startups using humans wearing virtual-reality headsets to train robots. Others are experimenting with 3-D models of workspaces to speed up the process.</p><p>But no one is sure how much training is required before robots can move from folding shirts to doing multiple household chores, said Dominik Boemer, a manager at FEV.</p><p>&#34;Humanoids perhaps solve some specific problems, but it might not be as big of a market in the near term as everyone thinks it is,&#34; Jeff Mahler, chief technology officer at Ambi Robotics, which makes package-sorting robots.</p><p>Ultimately, there is a more fundamental question to answer: Do we even need a robot with arms and legs?</p><p>There are downsides to the human form: Robots that look like us are prone to tipping over and engineers struggle to create a mechanical version of the human hand. We rely on sensations from our skin to know how much pressure to apply, something robot builders struggle to replicate. Some engineers say the future isn&#39;t in replicating the human shape but in improving on it, with four hands instead of two, or suction grippers instead of fingers.</p><p>&#34;My point of view is that we are sticking to the humanoid form too much, &#34; said Max Goncharov, the chief technology officer at RemBrain. &#34;In the factories, it&#39;s all about efficiency, and efficiency means more specialized robots.&#34;</p><p>&#34;I think humanoids will do a tiny layer of tasks in factories in the future,&#34; Goncharov said.</p><p></p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Even the Companies Making Humanoid Robots Think They're Overhyped</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nEven the Companies Making Humanoid Robots Think They're Overhyped\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<div class=\"head\" \">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Dow Jones </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2025-12-26 16:12</p>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><head></head><body><p>Billions of dollars are flowing into humanoid robot startups, as investors bet that the industry will soon put humanlike machines in warehouses, factories and our living rooms.</p><p>Many leaders of those companies would like to temper those expectations. For all the recent advances in the field, humanoid robots, they say, have been overhyped and face daunting technical challenges before they move from science experiments to a replacement for human workers.</p><p>&#34;We&#39;ve been trying to figure out how do we not just make a humanoid robot, but also make a humanoid robot that does useful work,&#34; said Pras Velagapudi, chief technology officer at Agility Robotics.</p><p>Agility currently has hundreds of its Digit robots working with customers, including <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AMZN\">Amazon</a>.com and auto-parts company Schaeffler. They perform tasks including picking up items and moving them around a warehouse.</p><p>As robots like Digit have begun to find niches of demand, some analysts and technology executives have begun to predict a looming humanoid robot wave.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/9748f1a930b938c7430f70702e97adbd\" alt=\"Pras Velagapudi speaking at the Humanoids Summit with a robot illustration on screen.\" title=\"Pras Velagapudi speaking at the Humanoids Summit with a robot illustration on screen.\" tg-width=\"700\" tg-height=\"525\"/><span>Pras Velagapudi speaking at the Humanoids Summit with a robot illustration on screen.</span></p><p>Velagapudi is skeptical. Getting human-shaped robots into warehouses or industrial sites to move boxes is one thing, he said; building a robot butler is beyond the industry&#39;s current capabilities, with current robots too unreliable to perform complex tasks.</p><p>Then there is safety. According to a survey of executives, the cost of installing robots is the biggest reason companies avoid deploying robots, said Ani Kelkar, a partner at McKinsey. For every $100 spent on deploying robots today, only around $20 is the actual machine, with the rest being spent on equipment and systems designed to protect humans from injury, Kelkar said.</p><p>In theory, a humanoid robot won&#39;t need the same safeguards as an industrial arm that might weigh thousands of pounds and operate at high speeds. <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">Tesla</a>&#39;s Optimus robot stands approximately 5 feet 8 inches tall and weighs 125 pounds; Unitree&#39;s G1 is even smaller at 4 feet and 77 pounds.</p><p>But the gulf between the promise of the technology and what it can do today is wide, Kelkar said. &#34;We&#39;re doing a big extrapolation from watching videos of robots doing laundry to a butler in my house that can do everything,&#34; he said.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/3746e5cd04efe53df0f1b063299738d3\" tg-width=\"1200\" tg-height=\"900\"/></p><p>At the recent Humanoids Summit in Mountain View, Calif., touted as the world&#39;s largest gathering devoted to the subject, Isaac Qureshi used a virtual-reality headset to control an early prototype of a robot designed to clean office spaces.</p><p>The chief executive of the recently formed company that makes it, Gatlin Robotics, followed behind the robot as it attempted to scrub a brick wall.</p><p>&#34;Slowly, we&#39;re going to teach the Gatlin robot more things, like starting with dusting, surface cleaning, trash bins and then the toilet, &#34; said Qureshi. &#34;Toilet&#39;s a big North <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/SGU\">Star</a>.&#34;</p><p>On stage at the summit, one startup founder after another sought to tamp down the hype around humanoid robots.</p><p>&#34;There&#39;s a lot of great technological work happening, a lot of great talent working on these, but they are not yet well defined products,&#34; said Kaan Dogrusoz, a former Apple engineer and CEO of Weave Robotics.</p><p>Today&#39;s humanoid robots are the right idea, but the technology isn&#39;t up to the premise, Dogrusoz said. He compared it to Apple&#39;s most infamous product failure, the Newton hand-held computer.</p><p>Launched in the 1990s amid a wave of hype about personal digital assistants, the Newton was a commercial failure that was canceled after only a few years. Just a decade later, however, hand-held computers would become ubiquitous with the launch of the iPhone.</p><p>&#34;Full bipedal humanoids are the Newtons of our times,&#34; Dogrusoz said.</p><p>Weave is building laundry-folding robots, which are being used in some San Francisco laundromats. But even the founders whose robots are finding some market traction see risks in encouraging the notion that the technology has arrived.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/9263603a2ba8551f2fbbde866f663364\" tg-width=\"675\" tg-height=\"900\"/></p><p>&#34;I think we have to have this sense of responsibility about the timelines we are talking about, the adoption timelines,&#34; said Nicolaus Radford, CEO of Persona AI, in a keynote address at the summit.</p><p>Company leaders say there is a narrow set of roles where humanlike robots make sense today, including performing simple, repetitive tasks such as moving boxes. Persona is building a welding robot for a shipbuilding company, a function Radford said is ripe for roboticization because the danger involved makes labor hard to find. For something like robot butlers, the market is farther off, he said.</p><p>The cautious, if not downright gloomy, outlook by leaders and engineers of humanoid robot companies stands in contrast to forecasts made by some of the biggest names in technology.</p><p>Elon Musk predicts that demand for humanoid robots will be &#34;insatiable&#34; and has said that Tesla aims to produce one million of the company&#39;s Optimus robots a year by 2030. <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NVDA\">Nvidia</a> CEO Jensen Huang has said he believes the world is on the cusp of making everything that moves robotic. &#34;Humanoid robots, the technology that makes it possible is just around the corner,&#34; Huang said on a podcast in January.</p><p>Optimists like Musk and Huang see a confluence in trends behind their predictions. Billions of dollars are being spent on data centers to train the artificial-intelligence models that will power future robots. The aging of populations in many countries means there will be fewer workers as well as a growing cohort of elderly people in need of care. Governments also see robots as a way to win manufacturing jobs back from overseas.</p><p>Beyond the macroeconomic trends, improvements in battery and motor technology mean that robots are becoming more adept at mimicking human motion and can work for longer periods. Earlier this month, the CEO of one of the hottest robot startups, Figure AI, posted a video of the company&#39;s latest humanoid bot jogging in a manner eerily similar to a human.</p><p>Dozens of robot startups are attracting huge investments, with around $5 billion being invested in humanoid robots this year, said Kelkar of McKinsey.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/cd011fc9f57dfe7fa4e16cde2876f528\" tg-width=\"675\" tg-height=\"900\"/></p><p>FEV Consulting, which advises many robotics companies, predicts that by 2035 there will be around one million humanoid robots at work. Holding back the expansion is a lack of training data for robots, with many startups using humans wearing virtual-reality headsets to train robots. Others are experimenting with 3-D models of workspaces to speed up the process.</p><p>But no one is sure how much training is required before robots can move from folding shirts to doing multiple household chores, said Dominik Boemer, a manager at FEV.</p><p>&#34;Humanoids perhaps solve some specific problems, but it might not be as big of a market in the near term as everyone thinks it is,&#34; Jeff Mahler, chief technology officer at Ambi Robotics, which makes package-sorting robots.</p><p>Ultimately, there is a more fundamental question to answer: Do we even need a robot with arms and legs?</p><p>There are downsides to the human form: Robots that look like us are prone to tipping over and engineers struggle to create a mechanical version of the human hand. We rely on sensations from our skin to know how much pressure to apply, something robot builders struggle to replicate. Some engineers say the future isn&#39;t in replicating the human shape but in improving on it, with four hands instead of two, or suction grippers instead of fingers.</p><p>&#34;My point of view is that we are sticking to the humanoid form too much, &#34; said Max Goncharov, the chief technology officer at RemBrain. &#34;In the factories, it&#39;s all about efficiency, and efficiency means more specialized robots.&#34;</p><p>&#34;I think humanoids will do a tiny layer of tasks in factories in the future,&#34; Goncharov said.</p><p></p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"AMZN":"亚马逊","TSLA":"特斯拉"},"source_url":"https://dowjonesnews.com/newdjn/logon.aspx?AL=N","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2594250732","content_text":"Billions of dollars are flowing into humanoid robot startups, as investors bet that the industry will soon put humanlike machines in warehouses, factories and our living rooms.Many leaders of those companies would like to temper those expectations. For all the recent advances in the field, humanoid robots, they say, have been overhyped and face daunting technical challenges before they move from science experiments to a replacement for human workers.\"We've been trying to figure out how do we not just make a humanoid robot, but also make a humanoid robot that does useful work,\" said Pras Velagapudi, chief technology officer at Agility Robotics.Agility currently has hundreds of its Digit robots working with customers, including Amazon.com and auto-parts company Schaeffler. They perform tasks including picking up items and moving them around a warehouse.As robots like Digit have begun to find niches of demand, some analysts and technology executives have begun to predict a looming humanoid robot wave.Pras Velagapudi speaking at the Humanoids Summit with a robot illustration on screen.Velagapudi is skeptical. Getting human-shaped robots into warehouses or industrial sites to move boxes is one thing, he said; building a robot butler is beyond the industry's current capabilities, with current robots too unreliable to perform complex tasks.Then there is safety. According to a survey of executives, the cost of installing robots is the biggest reason companies avoid deploying robots, said Ani Kelkar, a partner at McKinsey. For every $100 spent on deploying robots today, only around $20 is the actual machine, with the rest being spent on equipment and systems designed to protect humans from injury, Kelkar said.In theory, a humanoid robot won't need the same safeguards as an industrial arm that might weigh thousands of pounds and operate at high speeds. Tesla's Optimus robot stands approximately 5 feet 8 inches tall and weighs 125 pounds; Unitree's G1 is even smaller at 4 feet and 77 pounds.But the gulf between the promise of the technology and what it can do today is wide, Kelkar said. \"We're doing a big extrapolation from watching videos of robots doing laundry to a butler in my house that can do everything,\" he said.At the recent Humanoids Summit in Mountain View, Calif., touted as the world's largest gathering devoted to the subject, Isaac Qureshi used a virtual-reality headset to control an early prototype of a robot designed to clean office spaces.The chief executive of the recently formed company that makes it, Gatlin Robotics, followed behind the robot as it attempted to scrub a brick wall.\"Slowly, we're going to teach the Gatlin robot more things, like starting with dusting, surface cleaning, trash bins and then the toilet, \" said Qureshi. \"Toilet's a big North Star.\"On stage at the summit, one startup founder after another sought to tamp down the hype around humanoid robots.\"There's a lot of great technological work happening, a lot of great talent working on these, but they are not yet well defined products,\" said Kaan Dogrusoz, a former Apple engineer and CEO of Weave Robotics.Today's humanoid robots are the right idea, but the technology isn't up to the premise, Dogrusoz said. He compared it to Apple's most infamous product failure, the Newton hand-held computer.Launched in the 1990s amid a wave of hype about personal digital assistants, the Newton was a commercial failure that was canceled after only a few years. Just a decade later, however, hand-held computers would become ubiquitous with the launch of the iPhone.\"Full bipedal humanoids are the Newtons of our times,\" Dogrusoz said.Weave is building laundry-folding robots, which are being used in some San Francisco laundromats. But even the founders whose robots are finding some market traction see risks in encouraging the notion that the technology has arrived.\"I think we have to have this sense of responsibility about the timelines we are talking about, the adoption timelines,\" said Nicolaus Radford, CEO of Persona AI, in a keynote address at the summit.Company leaders say there is a narrow set of roles where humanlike robots make sense today, including performing simple, repetitive tasks such as moving boxes. Persona is building a welding robot for a shipbuilding company, a function Radford said is ripe for roboticization because the danger involved makes labor hard to find. For something like robot butlers, the market is farther off, he said.The cautious, if not downright gloomy, outlook by leaders and engineers of humanoid robot companies stands in contrast to forecasts made by some of the biggest names in technology.Elon Musk predicts that demand for humanoid robots will be \"insatiable\" and has said that Tesla aims to produce one million of the company's Optimus robots a year by 2030. Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang has said he believes the world is on the cusp of making everything that moves robotic. \"Humanoid robots, the technology that makes it possible is just around the corner,\" Huang said on a podcast in January.Optimists like Musk and Huang see a confluence in trends behind their predictions. Billions of dollars are being spent on data centers to train the artificial-intelligence models that will power future robots. The aging of populations in many countries means there will be fewer workers as well as a growing cohort of elderly people in need of care. Governments also see robots as a way to win manufacturing jobs back from overseas.Beyond the macroeconomic trends, improvements in battery and motor technology mean that robots are becoming more adept at mimicking human motion and can work for longer periods. Earlier this month, the CEO of one of the hottest robot startups, Figure AI, posted a video of the company's latest humanoid bot jogging in a manner eerily similar to a human.Dozens of robot startups are attracting huge investments, with around $5 billion being invested in humanoid robots this year, said Kelkar of McKinsey.FEV Consulting, which advises many robotics companies, predicts that by 2035 there will be around one million humanoid robots at work. Holding back the expansion is a lack of training data for robots, with many startups using humans wearing virtual-reality headsets to train robots. Others are experimenting with 3-D models of workspaces to speed up the process.But no one is sure how much training is required before robots can move from folding shirts to doing multiple household chores, said Dominik Boemer, a manager at FEV.\"Humanoids perhaps solve some specific problems, but it might not be as big of a market in the near term as everyone thinks it is,\" Jeff Mahler, chief technology officer at Ambi Robotics, which makes package-sorting robots.Ultimately, there is a more fundamental question to answer: Do we even need a robot with arms and legs?There are downsides to the human form: Robots that look like us are prone to tipping over and engineers struggle to create a mechanical version of the human hand. We rely on sensations from our skin to know how much pressure to apply, something robot builders struggle to replicate. Some engineers say the future isn't in replicating the human shape but in improving on it, with four hands instead of two, or suction grippers instead of fingers.\"My point of view is that we are sticking to the humanoid form too much, \" said Max Goncharov, the chief technology officer at RemBrain. \"In the factories, it's all about efficiency, and efficiency means more specialized robots.\"\"I think humanoids will do a tiny layer of tasks in factories in the future,\" Goncharov said.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"AMZN":2,"TSLA":2}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":0,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":500035188970048,"gmtCreate":1763103885181,"gmtModify":1763104148765,"author":{"id":"4090653780002860","authorId":"4090653780002860","name":"Quekcaihua","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/0fcb21021bc5d64771998041c8b26793","crmLevel":12,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"4090653780002860","idStr":"4090653780002860"},"themes":[],"title":"","htmlText":"&nbsp;Cck. &nbsp;Hh. &nbsp; Zppp389\":{¥€•fun. 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Alibaba Is One of Them","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2367623895","media":"Dow Jones","summary":"Value managers routinely venture into markets that others are fleeing, and right now that makes China a natural destination.Veteran bargain hunters admit China's economic growth prospects look uncertain, and that policy makers may continue to stumble. But they calculate that Beijing will keep trying to stabilize the economy -- enough to create a tactical opportunity in pockets of the market.Investors have fled China as the recovery following three years of strict Covid restrictions, erratic policy steps and crackdown on its property market along with national champions like Internet giant Alibaba Group Holding  rattled confidence -- among households, businesses and investors.With the U.S. and China entering an even more tense relationship, many money managers have reined in their allocations to China and rolled out emerging markets ex-China funds for skittish clients.While Mallari-D'Auria sees some signs of stabilization in property prices from policy makers' gradual efforts in recent ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Value managers routinely venture into markets that others are fleeing, and right now that makes China a natural destination.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Veteran bargain hunters admit China’s economic growth prospects look uncertain, and that policy makers may continue to stumble. But they calculate that Beijing will keep trying to stabilize the economy—enough to create a tactical opportunity in pockets of the market.</p><p>Investors have fled China as the recovery following three years of strict Covid restrictions, erratic policy steps and crackdown on its property market along with national champions like Internet giant Alibaba Group Holding (ticker: BABA) rattled confidence—among households, businesses and investors.</p><p>With the U.S. and China entering an even more tense relationship, many money managers have reined in their allocations to China and rolled out emerging markets ex-China funds for skittish clients.</p><p>But for some emerging market veterans familiar with navigating erratic policy makers in developing markets, the cheap valuations in parts of the Chinese stock market are a draw. Arjun Divecha, founder of GMO Emerging Markets Equity, is still cautious about China but has become less worried about the country’s sluggish recovery from Covid.  </p><p>“That normalization of demand will happen, and there’s some evidence it is starting to happen if you look at car sales,” he says. “The government has been slow to reflate the economy for good reasons [due to its debt concerns] but I do think they will eventually succeed.”</p><p>BCA Research analysts highlighted glimpses of stabilization in the economy, with China’s credit growth improving in August and deflationary pressures seen earlier in the summer easing, with consumer prices up 0.1% versus the earlier year, better than the 0.3% decline in July.</p><p>The BCA analysts are looking for more proactive policy measures that will create significant economic improvement before becoming less bearish and rethinking their underweight recommendation to clients for Chinese assets.</p><p>But Louis Lau, director of investments at Brandes Investment Partners, tells <em>Barron’s</em> via email that he sees several potential avenues to improve investor sentiment, and he’s already looking for opportunities in internet stocks, life insurers, sportswear makers and the supply chain for solar.</p><p>For Henry Mallari-D’Auria, Ariel’s chief investment officer of global and emerging markets equities, the focus is on consumer-oriented companies he thinks will see faster growth in coming years, in part from Beijing’s efforts to revive confidence among households.</p><p>While Mallari-D’Auria sees some signs of stabilization in property prices from policy makers’ gradual efforts in recent weeks as laying the groundwork for repairing consumer sentiment. A couple of quarters of more stable property prices, as well as income growth and stronger auto sales would build the case consumer confidence is improving.</p><p>Such improvement will help the likes of Alibaba, which Mallari-D’Auria thinks can win in multiple ways. “There’s the cyclical rebound but the company is also restructuring itself,” he says.</p><p>Former Alibaba Chief Executive Daniel Zhang’s decision to step down two months after taking on the task of focusing on the company’s AliCloud unit creates a short-term cloud over the stock, which fell more than 4% on the news. The company said Zhang was leaving to run a new technology fund that AliGroup is expected to invest an initial $1 billion.<br/><br/>So far, Mallari-D’Auria doesn’t see the development changing the profit growth outlook for Alibaba’s core business nor does he see it changing the timetable for the unit’s spinoff.</p><p>A spinoff will help the valuation, but a near-term catalyst could come from signs confidence consumer spending is picking up. Recent cost-cutting at the company should also help. Though Mallari-D’Auria doesn’t expect valuations to return to pre-crackdown levels, he says investors can do well even if the stock bounces from its currently low valuation of nine times to 11 or 12 times earnings as confidence improves.</p><p>If consumers feel better about their prospects as Beijing delivers more stimulus, Mallari-D’Auria says automakers like Great Wall Motor (1210:Taiwan) could stand to benefit. Better auto sales would help but the company has a new sport-utility vehicle that allows them to take share at a higher profit per unit than in the past, and that should boost margins, he says.</p><p>While China may be growing at far slower pace of 3% to 5%, Divecha expects stronger growth in the areas Beijing is focused on, such as technology and in businesses related to the green transition, as its geopolitical tussle with the U.S. intensifies. The U.S. sanctions that have limited China’s access to critical technologies is spurring increased investment by Beijing into electric vehicles, semiconductor chips and computers to become less reliant on the world.</p><p>“It isn’t that growth has dropped off a cliff and will stay at zero forever or that something has fundamentally changed,” he says, noting long-term headwinds of a shrinking population and the country’s debt load. “You make more money when things go from truly awful to merely bad versus good to great.”</p><p>So far, that message hasn’t yet resonated with the market, with the iShares MSCI China exchange-traded fund (MCHI), down 5% so far this year. But that creates fertile shopping for patient bargain hunters looking to tap a near-term stabilization in the world’s second-largest economy.</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Some Chinese Stocks Are a Real Bargain Now. 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Alibaba Is One of Them\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<div class=\"head\" \">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Dow Jones </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2023-09-13 13:14</p>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><head></head><body><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Value managers routinely venture into markets that others are fleeing, and right now that makes China a natural destination.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Veteran bargain hunters admit China’s economic growth prospects look uncertain, and that policy makers may continue to stumble. But they calculate that Beijing will keep trying to stabilize the economy—enough to create a tactical opportunity in pockets of the market.</p><p>Investors have fled China as the recovery following three years of strict Covid restrictions, erratic policy steps and crackdown on its property market along with national champions like Internet giant Alibaba Group Holding (ticker: BABA) rattled confidence—among households, businesses and investors.</p><p>With the U.S. and China entering an even more tense relationship, many money managers have reined in their allocations to China and rolled out emerging markets ex-China funds for skittish clients.</p><p>But for some emerging market veterans familiar with navigating erratic policy makers in developing markets, the cheap valuations in parts of the Chinese stock market are a draw. Arjun Divecha, founder of GMO Emerging Markets Equity, is still cautious about China but has become less worried about the country’s sluggish recovery from Covid.  </p><p>“That normalization of demand will happen, and there’s some evidence it is starting to happen if you look at car sales,” he says. “The government has been slow to reflate the economy for good reasons [due to its debt concerns] but I do think they will eventually succeed.”</p><p>BCA Research analysts highlighted glimpses of stabilization in the economy, with China’s credit growth improving in August and deflationary pressures seen earlier in the summer easing, with consumer prices up 0.1% versus the earlier year, better than the 0.3% decline in July.</p><p>The BCA analysts are looking for more proactive policy measures that will create significant economic improvement before becoming less bearish and rethinking their underweight recommendation to clients for Chinese assets.</p><p>But Louis Lau, director of investments at Brandes Investment Partners, tells <em>Barron’s</em> via email that he sees several potential avenues to improve investor sentiment, and he’s already looking for opportunities in internet stocks, life insurers, sportswear makers and the supply chain for solar.</p><p>For Henry Mallari-D’Auria, Ariel’s chief investment officer of global and emerging markets equities, the focus is on consumer-oriented companies he thinks will see faster growth in coming years, in part from Beijing’s efforts to revive confidence among households.</p><p>While Mallari-D’Auria sees some signs of stabilization in property prices from policy makers’ gradual efforts in recent weeks as laying the groundwork for repairing consumer sentiment. A couple of quarters of more stable property prices, as well as income growth and stronger auto sales would build the case consumer confidence is improving.</p><p>Such improvement will help the likes of Alibaba, which Mallari-D’Auria thinks can win in multiple ways. “There’s the cyclical rebound but the company is also restructuring itself,” he says.</p><p>Former Alibaba Chief Executive Daniel Zhang’s decision to step down two months after taking on the task of focusing on the company’s AliCloud unit creates a short-term cloud over the stock, which fell more than 4% on the news. The company said Zhang was leaving to run a new technology fund that AliGroup is expected to invest an initial $1 billion.<br/><br/>So far, Mallari-D’Auria doesn’t see the development changing the profit growth outlook for Alibaba’s core business nor does he see it changing the timetable for the unit’s spinoff.</p><p>A spinoff will help the valuation, but a near-term catalyst could come from signs confidence consumer spending is picking up. Recent cost-cutting at the company should also help. Though Mallari-D’Auria doesn’t expect valuations to return to pre-crackdown levels, he says investors can do well even if the stock bounces from its currently low valuation of nine times to 11 or 12 times earnings as confidence improves.</p><p>If consumers feel better about their prospects as Beijing delivers more stimulus, Mallari-D’Auria says automakers like Great Wall Motor (1210:Taiwan) could stand to benefit. Better auto sales would help but the company has a new sport-utility vehicle that allows them to take share at a higher profit per unit than in the past, and that should boost margins, he says.</p><p>While China may be growing at far slower pace of 3% to 5%, Divecha expects stronger growth in the areas Beijing is focused on, such as technology and in businesses related to the green transition, as its geopolitical tussle with the U.S. intensifies. The U.S. sanctions that have limited China’s access to critical technologies is spurring increased investment by Beijing into electric vehicles, semiconductor chips and computers to become less reliant on the world.</p><p>“It isn’t that growth has dropped off a cliff and will stay at zero forever or that something has fundamentally changed,” he says, noting long-term headwinds of a shrinking population and the country’s debt load. “You make more money when things go from truly awful to merely bad versus good to great.”</p><p>So far, that message hasn’t yet resonated with the market, with the iShares MSCI China exchange-traded fund (MCHI), down 5% so far this year. 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But they calculate that Beijing will keep trying to stabilize the economy—enough to create a tactical opportunity in pockets of the market.Investors have fled China as the recovery following three years of strict Covid restrictions, erratic policy steps and crackdown on its property market along with national champions like Internet giant Alibaba Group Holding (ticker: BABA) rattled confidence—among households, businesses and investors.With the U.S. and China entering an even more tense relationship, many money managers have reined in their allocations to China and rolled out emerging markets ex-China funds for skittish clients.But for some emerging market veterans familiar with navigating erratic policy makers in developing markets, the cheap valuations in parts of the Chinese stock market are a draw. Arjun Divecha, founder of GMO Emerging Markets Equity, is still cautious about China but has become less worried about the country’s sluggish recovery from Covid.  “That normalization of demand will happen, and there’s some evidence it is starting to happen if you look at car sales,” he says. “The government has been slow to reflate the economy for good reasons [due to its debt concerns] but I do think they will eventually succeed.”BCA Research analysts highlighted glimpses of stabilization in the economy, with China’s credit growth improving in August and deflationary pressures seen earlier in the summer easing, with consumer prices up 0.1% versus the earlier year, better than the 0.3% decline in July.The BCA analysts are looking for more proactive policy measures that will create significant economic improvement before becoming less bearish and rethinking their underweight recommendation to clients for Chinese assets.But Louis Lau, director of investments at Brandes Investment Partners, tells Barron’s via email that he sees several potential avenues to improve investor sentiment, and he’s already looking for opportunities in internet stocks, life insurers, sportswear makers and the supply chain for solar.For Henry Mallari-D’Auria, Ariel’s chief investment officer of global and emerging markets equities, the focus is on consumer-oriented companies he thinks will see faster growth in coming years, in part from Beijing’s efforts to revive confidence among households.While Mallari-D’Auria sees some signs of stabilization in property prices from policy makers’ gradual efforts in recent weeks as laying the groundwork for repairing consumer sentiment. A couple of quarters of more stable property prices, as well as income growth and stronger auto sales would build the case consumer confidence is improving.Such improvement will help the likes of Alibaba, which Mallari-D’Auria thinks can win in multiple ways. “There’s the cyclical rebound but the company is also restructuring itself,” he says.Former Alibaba Chief Executive Daniel Zhang’s decision to step down two months after taking on the task of focusing on the company’s AliCloud unit creates a short-term cloud over the stock, which fell more than 4% on the news. The company said Zhang was leaving to run a new technology fund that AliGroup is expected to invest an initial $1 billion.So far, Mallari-D’Auria doesn’t see the development changing the profit growth outlook for Alibaba’s core business nor does he see it changing the timetable for the unit’s spinoff.A spinoff will help the valuation, but a near-term catalyst could come from signs confidence consumer spending is picking up. Recent cost-cutting at the company should also help. Though Mallari-D’Auria doesn’t expect valuations to return to pre-crackdown levels, he says investors can do well even if the stock bounces from its currently low valuation of nine times to 11 or 12 times earnings as confidence improves.If consumers feel better about their prospects as Beijing delivers more stimulus, Mallari-D’Auria says automakers like Great Wall Motor (1210:Taiwan) could stand to benefit. Better auto sales would help but the company has a new sport-utility vehicle that allows them to take share at a higher profit per unit than in the past, and that should boost margins, he says.While China may be growing at far slower pace of 3% to 5%, Divecha expects stronger growth in the areas Beijing is focused on, such as technology and in businesses related to the green transition, as its geopolitical tussle with the U.S. intensifies. The U.S. sanctions that have limited China’s access to critical technologies is spurring increased investment by Beijing into electric vehicles, semiconductor chips and computers to become less reliant on the world.“It isn’t that growth has dropped off a cliff and will stay at zero forever or that something has fundamentally changed,” he says, noting long-term headwinds of a shrinking population and the country’s debt load. “You make more money when things go from truly awful to merely bad versus good to great.”So far, that message hasn’t yet resonated with the market, with the iShares MSCI China exchange-traded fund (MCHI), down 5% so far this year. 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Noting Tharman’s “long and distinguished record of public service”, he said: “I have every confidence that he will carry out his duties as president with distinction.”Frasers Centrepoint Trust (SGX: J69U)Frasers Centrepoint Trust, or FCT, announced that it will divest Changi City Point for a consideration of S$338 million in cash.Completion is projected to be on 15 November this year and the retail REIT will recognise a net gain of around S$10.9 million.The net property income yield for Changi City Point stood at 4.31% based on the divestment consideration.The sale is part of FCT’s strategic portfolio review and is intended to create value for unitholders.The proceeds will be used to repay loans with higher interest rates to lower FCT’s aggregate leverage.Upon completion, the REIT’s aggregate leverage will fall from 40.2% currently to 37.1% while 73% of its loans will be hedged, up from the present 63%.Another benefit is that the REIT will enjoy a lower cost of borrowing at 3.6%, down 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deeper optical zoom that allows for high-quality shots.In addition, these new iPhones will switch to a USB-C charging port to comply with new European Union regulations, the first change for the connector switch since 2012.For the Apple Watch, Apple will debut the Series 9 lineup and the second generation of the high-end Ultra.Both models will contain faster chips and feature new case colours.Hotel Properties Limited (SGX: H15)Hotel Properties Limited, or HPL, has received approval from the Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) for the redevelopment of the Forum, voco Orchard Singapore, and HPL House.These properties have a combined total land area of around 151,000 square feet.The approval was given for the construction of a comprehensive mixed-use development comprising hotel, retail, office, and residential in two tower buildings of 64 storeys and 43 storeys.The development will also have a rooftop garden atop a six-storey podium along with a performance theatre and basement car 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Billions of dollars are flowing into humanoid robot startups, as investors bet that the industry will soon put humanlike machines in warehouses, factories and our living rooms.Many leaders of those companies would like to temper those expectations. For all the recent advances in the field, humanoid robots, they say, have been overhyped and face daunting technical challenges before they move from science experiments to a replacement for human workers.Agility currently has hundreds of its Digit robots working with customers, including Amazon.com and auto-parts company Schaeffler. They perform tasks including picking up items and moving them around a warehouse.Velagapudi is skeptical. 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For all the recent advances in the field, humanoid robots, they say, have been overhyped and face daunting technical challenges before they move from science experiments to a replacement for human workers.</p><p>&#34;We&#39;ve been trying to figure out how do we not just make a humanoid robot, but also make a humanoid robot that does useful work,&#34; said Pras Velagapudi, chief technology officer at Agility Robotics.</p><p>Agility currently has hundreds of its Digit robots working with customers, including <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AMZN\">Amazon</a>.com and auto-parts company Schaeffler. They perform tasks including picking up items and moving them around a warehouse.</p><p>As robots like Digit have begun to find niches of demand, some analysts and technology executives have begun to predict a looming humanoid robot wave.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/9748f1a930b938c7430f70702e97adbd\" alt=\"Pras Velagapudi speaking at the Humanoids Summit with a robot illustration on screen.\" title=\"Pras Velagapudi speaking at the Humanoids Summit with a robot illustration on screen.\" tg-width=\"700\" tg-height=\"525\"/><span>Pras Velagapudi speaking at the Humanoids Summit with a robot illustration on screen.</span></p><p>Velagapudi is skeptical. Getting human-shaped robots into warehouses or industrial sites to move boxes is one thing, he said; building a robot butler is beyond the industry&#39;s current capabilities, with current robots too unreliable to perform complex tasks.</p><p>Then there is safety. According to a survey of executives, the cost of installing robots is the biggest reason companies avoid deploying robots, said Ani Kelkar, a partner at McKinsey. For every $100 spent on deploying robots today, only around $20 is the actual machine, with the rest being spent on equipment and systems designed to protect humans from injury, Kelkar said.</p><p>In theory, a humanoid robot won&#39;t need the same safeguards as an industrial arm that might weigh thousands of pounds and operate at high speeds. <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">Tesla</a>&#39;s Optimus robot stands approximately 5 feet 8 inches tall and weighs 125 pounds; Unitree&#39;s G1 is even smaller at 4 feet and 77 pounds.</p><p>But the gulf between the promise of the technology and what it can do today is wide, Kelkar said. &#34;We&#39;re doing a big extrapolation from watching videos of robots doing laundry to a butler in my house that can do everything,&#34; he said.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/3746e5cd04efe53df0f1b063299738d3\" tg-width=\"1200\" tg-height=\"900\"/></p><p>At the recent Humanoids Summit in Mountain View, Calif., touted as the world&#39;s largest gathering devoted to the subject, Isaac Qureshi used a virtual-reality headset to control an early prototype of a robot designed to clean office spaces.</p><p>The chief executive of the recently formed company that makes it, Gatlin Robotics, followed behind the robot as it attempted to scrub a brick wall.</p><p>&#34;Slowly, we&#39;re going to teach the Gatlin robot more things, like starting with dusting, surface cleaning, trash bins and then the toilet, &#34; said Qureshi. &#34;Toilet&#39;s a big North <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/SGU\">Star</a>.&#34;</p><p>On stage at the summit, one startup founder after another sought to tamp down the hype around humanoid robots.</p><p>&#34;There&#39;s a lot of great technological work happening, a lot of great talent working on these, but they are not yet well defined products,&#34; said Kaan Dogrusoz, a former Apple engineer and CEO of Weave Robotics.</p><p>Today&#39;s humanoid robots are the right idea, but the technology isn&#39;t up to the premise, Dogrusoz said. He compared it to Apple&#39;s most infamous product failure, the Newton hand-held computer.</p><p>Launched in the 1990s amid a wave of hype about personal digital assistants, the Newton was a commercial failure that was canceled after only a few years. Just a decade later, however, hand-held computers would become ubiquitous with the launch of the iPhone.</p><p>&#34;Full bipedal humanoids are the Newtons of our times,&#34; Dogrusoz said.</p><p>Weave is building laundry-folding robots, which are being used in some San Francisco laundromats. But even the founders whose robots are finding some market traction see risks in encouraging the notion that the technology has arrived.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/9263603a2ba8551f2fbbde866f663364\" tg-width=\"675\" tg-height=\"900\"/></p><p>&#34;I think we have to have this sense of responsibility about the timelines we are talking about, the adoption timelines,&#34; said Nicolaus Radford, CEO of Persona AI, in a keynote address at the summit.</p><p>Company leaders say there is a narrow set of roles where humanlike robots make sense today, including performing simple, repetitive tasks such as moving boxes. Persona is building a welding robot for a shipbuilding company, a function Radford said is ripe for roboticization because the danger involved makes labor hard to find. For something like robot butlers, the market is farther off, he said.</p><p>The cautious, if not downright gloomy, outlook by leaders and engineers of humanoid robot companies stands in contrast to forecasts made by some of the biggest names in technology.</p><p>Elon Musk predicts that demand for humanoid robots will be &#34;insatiable&#34; and has said that Tesla aims to produce one million of the company&#39;s Optimus robots a year by 2030. <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NVDA\">Nvidia</a> CEO Jensen Huang has said he believes the world is on the cusp of making everything that moves robotic. &#34;Humanoid robots, the technology that makes it possible is just around the corner,&#34; Huang said on a podcast in January.</p><p>Optimists like Musk and Huang see a confluence in trends behind their predictions. Billions of dollars are being spent on data centers to train the artificial-intelligence models that will power future robots. The aging of populations in many countries means there will be fewer workers as well as a growing cohort of elderly people in need of care. Governments also see robots as a way to win manufacturing jobs back from overseas.</p><p>Beyond the macroeconomic trends, improvements in battery and motor technology mean that robots are becoming more adept at mimicking human motion and can work for longer periods. Earlier this month, the CEO of one of the hottest robot startups, Figure AI, posted a video of the company&#39;s latest humanoid bot jogging in a manner eerily similar to a human.</p><p>Dozens of robot startups are attracting huge investments, with around $5 billion being invested in humanoid robots this year, said Kelkar of McKinsey.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/cd011fc9f57dfe7fa4e16cde2876f528\" tg-width=\"675\" tg-height=\"900\"/></p><p>FEV Consulting, which advises many robotics companies, predicts that by 2035 there will be around one million humanoid robots at work. Holding back the expansion is a lack of training data for robots, with many startups using humans wearing virtual-reality headsets to train robots. Others are experimenting with 3-D models of workspaces to speed up the process.</p><p>But no one is sure how much training is required before robots can move from folding shirts to doing multiple household chores, said Dominik Boemer, a manager at FEV.</p><p>&#34;Humanoids perhaps solve some specific problems, but it might not be as big of a market in the near term as everyone thinks it is,&#34; Jeff Mahler, chief technology officer at Ambi Robotics, which makes package-sorting robots.</p><p>Ultimately, there is a more fundamental question to answer: Do we even need a robot with arms and legs?</p><p>There are downsides to the human form: Robots that look like us are prone to tipping over and engineers struggle to create a mechanical version of the human hand. We rely on sensations from our skin to know how much pressure to apply, something robot builders struggle to replicate. Some engineers say the future isn&#39;t in replicating the human shape but in improving on it, with four hands instead of two, or suction grippers instead of fingers.</p><p>&#34;My point of view is that we are sticking to the humanoid form too much, &#34; said Max Goncharov, the chief technology officer at RemBrain. &#34;In the factories, it&#39;s all about efficiency, and efficiency means more specialized robots.&#34;</p><p>&#34;I think humanoids will do a tiny layer of tasks in factories in the future,&#34; Goncharov said.</p><p></p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Even the Companies Making Humanoid Robots Think They're Overhyped</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nEven the Companies Making Humanoid Robots Think They're Overhyped\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<div class=\"head\" \">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Dow Jones </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2025-12-26 16:12</p>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><head></head><body><p>Billions of dollars are flowing into humanoid robot startups, as investors bet that the industry will soon put humanlike machines in warehouses, factories and our living rooms.</p><p>Many leaders of those companies would like to temper those expectations. For all the recent advances in the field, humanoid robots, they say, have been overhyped and face daunting technical challenges before they move from science experiments to a replacement for human workers.</p><p>&#34;We&#39;ve been trying to figure out how do we not just make a humanoid robot, but also make a humanoid robot that does useful work,&#34; said Pras Velagapudi, chief technology officer at Agility Robotics.</p><p>Agility currently has hundreds of its Digit robots working with customers, including <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AMZN\">Amazon</a>.com and auto-parts company Schaeffler. They perform tasks including picking up items and moving them around a warehouse.</p><p>As robots like Digit have begun to find niches of demand, some analysts and technology executives have begun to predict a looming humanoid robot wave.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/9748f1a930b938c7430f70702e97adbd\" alt=\"Pras Velagapudi speaking at the Humanoids Summit with a robot illustration on screen.\" title=\"Pras Velagapudi speaking at the Humanoids Summit with a robot illustration on screen.\" tg-width=\"700\" tg-height=\"525\"/><span>Pras Velagapudi speaking at the Humanoids Summit with a robot illustration on screen.</span></p><p>Velagapudi is skeptical. Getting human-shaped robots into warehouses or industrial sites to move boxes is one thing, he said; building a robot butler is beyond the industry&#39;s current capabilities, with current robots too unreliable to perform complex tasks.</p><p>Then there is safety. According to a survey of executives, the cost of installing robots is the biggest reason companies avoid deploying robots, said Ani Kelkar, a partner at McKinsey. For every $100 spent on deploying robots today, only around $20 is the actual machine, with the rest being spent on equipment and systems designed to protect humans from injury, Kelkar said.</p><p>In theory, a humanoid robot won&#39;t need the same safeguards as an industrial arm that might weigh thousands of pounds and operate at high speeds. <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">Tesla</a>&#39;s Optimus robot stands approximately 5 feet 8 inches tall and weighs 125 pounds; Unitree&#39;s G1 is even smaller at 4 feet and 77 pounds.</p><p>But the gulf between the promise of the technology and what it can do today is wide, Kelkar said. &#34;We&#39;re doing a big extrapolation from watching videos of robots doing laundry to a butler in my house that can do everything,&#34; he said.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/3746e5cd04efe53df0f1b063299738d3\" tg-width=\"1200\" tg-height=\"900\"/></p><p>At the recent Humanoids Summit in Mountain View, Calif., touted as the world&#39;s largest gathering devoted to the subject, Isaac Qureshi used a virtual-reality headset to control an early prototype of a robot designed to clean office spaces.</p><p>The chief executive of the recently formed company that makes it, Gatlin Robotics, followed behind the robot as it attempted to scrub a brick wall.</p><p>&#34;Slowly, we&#39;re going to teach the Gatlin robot more things, like starting with dusting, surface cleaning, trash bins and then the toilet, &#34; said Qureshi. &#34;Toilet&#39;s a big North <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/SGU\">Star</a>.&#34;</p><p>On stage at the summit, one startup founder after another sought to tamp down the hype around humanoid robots.</p><p>&#34;There&#39;s a lot of great technological work happening, a lot of great talent working on these, but they are not yet well defined products,&#34; said Kaan Dogrusoz, a former Apple engineer and CEO of Weave Robotics.</p><p>Today&#39;s humanoid robots are the right idea, but the technology isn&#39;t up to the premise, Dogrusoz said. He compared it to Apple&#39;s most infamous product failure, the Newton hand-held computer.</p><p>Launched in the 1990s amid a wave of hype about personal digital assistants, the Newton was a commercial failure that was canceled after only a few years. Just a decade later, however, hand-held computers would become ubiquitous with the launch of the iPhone.</p><p>&#34;Full bipedal humanoids are the Newtons of our times,&#34; Dogrusoz said.</p><p>Weave is building laundry-folding robots, which are being used in some San Francisco laundromats. But even the founders whose robots are finding some market traction see risks in encouraging the notion that the technology has arrived.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/9263603a2ba8551f2fbbde866f663364\" tg-width=\"675\" tg-height=\"900\"/></p><p>&#34;I think we have to have this sense of responsibility about the timelines we are talking about, the adoption timelines,&#34; said Nicolaus Radford, CEO of Persona AI, in a keynote address at the summit.</p><p>Company leaders say there is a narrow set of roles where humanlike robots make sense today, including performing simple, repetitive tasks such as moving boxes. Persona is building a welding robot for a shipbuilding company, a function Radford said is ripe for roboticization because the danger involved makes labor hard to find. For something like robot butlers, the market is farther off, he said.</p><p>The cautious, if not downright gloomy, outlook by leaders and engineers of humanoid robot companies stands in contrast to forecasts made by some of the biggest names in technology.</p><p>Elon Musk predicts that demand for humanoid robots will be &#34;insatiable&#34; and has said that Tesla aims to produce one million of the company&#39;s Optimus robots a year by 2030. <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NVDA\">Nvidia</a> CEO Jensen Huang has said he believes the world is on the cusp of making everything that moves robotic. &#34;Humanoid robots, the technology that makes it possible is just around the corner,&#34; Huang said on a podcast in January.</p><p>Optimists like Musk and Huang see a confluence in trends behind their predictions. Billions of dollars are being spent on data centers to train the artificial-intelligence models that will power future robots. The aging of populations in many countries means there will be fewer workers as well as a growing cohort of elderly people in need of care. Governments also see robots as a way to win manufacturing jobs back from overseas.</p><p>Beyond the macroeconomic trends, improvements in battery and motor technology mean that robots are becoming more adept at mimicking human motion and can work for longer periods. Earlier this month, the CEO of one of the hottest robot startups, Figure AI, posted a video of the company&#39;s latest humanoid bot jogging in a manner eerily similar to a human.</p><p>Dozens of robot startups are attracting huge investments, with around $5 billion being invested in humanoid robots this year, said Kelkar of McKinsey.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/cd011fc9f57dfe7fa4e16cde2876f528\" tg-width=\"675\" tg-height=\"900\"/></p><p>FEV Consulting, which advises many robotics companies, predicts that by 2035 there will be around one million humanoid robots at work. Holding back the expansion is a lack of training data for robots, with many startups using humans wearing virtual-reality headsets to train robots. Others are experimenting with 3-D models of workspaces to speed up the process.</p><p>But no one is sure how much training is required before robots can move from folding shirts to doing multiple household chores, said Dominik Boemer, a manager at FEV.</p><p>&#34;Humanoids perhaps solve some specific problems, but it might not be as big of a market in the near term as everyone thinks it is,&#34; Jeff Mahler, chief technology officer at Ambi Robotics, which makes package-sorting robots.</p><p>Ultimately, there is a more fundamental question to answer: Do we even need a robot with arms and legs?</p><p>There are downsides to the human form: Robots that look like us are prone to tipping over and engineers struggle to create a mechanical version of the human hand. We rely on sensations from our skin to know how much pressure to apply, something robot builders struggle to replicate. Some engineers say the future isn&#39;t in replicating the human shape but in improving on it, with four hands instead of two, or suction grippers instead of fingers.</p><p>&#34;My point of view is that we are sticking to the humanoid form too much, &#34; said Max Goncharov, the chief technology officer at RemBrain. &#34;In the factories, it&#39;s all about efficiency, and efficiency means more specialized robots.&#34;</p><p>&#34;I think humanoids will do a tiny layer of tasks in factories in the future,&#34; Goncharov said.</p><p></p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"AMZN":"亚马逊","TSLA":"特斯拉"},"source_url":"https://dowjonesnews.com/newdjn/logon.aspx?AL=N","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2594250732","content_text":"Billions of dollars are flowing into humanoid robot startups, as investors bet that the industry will soon put humanlike machines in warehouses, factories and our living rooms.Many leaders of those companies would like to temper those expectations. For all the recent advances in the field, humanoid robots, they say, have been overhyped and face daunting technical challenges before they move from science experiments to a replacement for human workers.\"We've been trying to figure out how do we not just make a humanoid robot, but also make a humanoid robot that does useful work,\" said Pras Velagapudi, chief technology officer at Agility Robotics.Agility currently has hundreds of its Digit robots working with customers, including Amazon.com and auto-parts company Schaeffler. They perform tasks including picking up items and moving them around a warehouse.As robots like Digit have begun to find niches of demand, some analysts and technology executives have begun to predict a looming humanoid robot wave.Pras Velagapudi speaking at the Humanoids Summit with a robot illustration on screen.Velagapudi is skeptical. Getting human-shaped robots into warehouses or industrial sites to move boxes is one thing, he said; building a robot butler is beyond the industry's current capabilities, with current robots too unreliable to perform complex tasks.Then there is safety. According to a survey of executives, the cost of installing robots is the biggest reason companies avoid deploying robots, said Ani Kelkar, a partner at McKinsey. For every $100 spent on deploying robots today, only around $20 is the actual machine, with the rest being spent on equipment and systems designed to protect humans from injury, Kelkar said.In theory, a humanoid robot won't need the same safeguards as an industrial arm that might weigh thousands of pounds and operate at high speeds. Tesla's Optimus robot stands approximately 5 feet 8 inches tall and weighs 125 pounds; Unitree's G1 is even smaller at 4 feet and 77 pounds.But the gulf between the promise of the technology and what it can do today is wide, Kelkar said. \"We're doing a big extrapolation from watching videos of robots doing laundry to a butler in my house that can do everything,\" he said.At the recent Humanoids Summit in Mountain View, Calif., touted as the world's largest gathering devoted to the subject, Isaac Qureshi used a virtual-reality headset to control an early prototype of a robot designed to clean office spaces.The chief executive of the recently formed company that makes it, Gatlin Robotics, followed behind the robot as it attempted to scrub a brick wall.\"Slowly, we're going to teach the Gatlin robot more things, like starting with dusting, surface cleaning, trash bins and then the toilet, \" said Qureshi. \"Toilet's a big North Star.\"On stage at the summit, one startup founder after another sought to tamp down the hype around humanoid robots.\"There's a lot of great technological work happening, a lot of great talent working on these, but they are not yet well defined products,\" said Kaan Dogrusoz, a former Apple engineer and CEO of Weave Robotics.Today's humanoid robots are the right idea, but the technology isn't up to the premise, Dogrusoz said. He compared it to Apple's most infamous product failure, the Newton hand-held computer.Launched in the 1990s amid a wave of hype about personal digital assistants, the Newton was a commercial failure that was canceled after only a few years. Just a decade later, however, hand-held computers would become ubiquitous with the launch of the iPhone.\"Full bipedal humanoids are the Newtons of our times,\" Dogrusoz said.Weave is building laundry-folding robots, which are being used in some San Francisco laundromats. But even the founders whose robots are finding some market traction see risks in encouraging the notion that the technology has arrived.\"I think we have to have this sense of responsibility about the timelines we are talking about, the adoption timelines,\" said Nicolaus Radford, CEO of Persona AI, in a keynote address at the summit.Company leaders say there is a narrow set of roles where humanlike robots make sense today, including performing simple, repetitive tasks such as moving boxes. Persona is building a welding robot for a shipbuilding company, a function Radford said is ripe for roboticization because the danger involved makes labor hard to find. For something like robot butlers, the market is farther off, he said.The cautious, if not downright gloomy, outlook by leaders and engineers of humanoid robot companies stands in contrast to forecasts made by some of the biggest names in technology.Elon Musk predicts that demand for humanoid robots will be \"insatiable\" and has said that Tesla aims to produce one million of the company's Optimus robots a year by 2030. Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang has said he believes the world is on the cusp of making everything that moves robotic. \"Humanoid robots, the technology that makes it possible is just around the corner,\" Huang said on a podcast in January.Optimists like Musk and Huang see a confluence in trends behind their predictions. Billions of dollars are being spent on data centers to train the artificial-intelligence models that will power future robots. The aging of populations in many countries means there will be fewer workers as well as a growing cohort of elderly people in need of care. Governments also see robots as a way to win manufacturing jobs back from overseas.Beyond the macroeconomic trends, improvements in battery and motor technology mean that robots are becoming more adept at mimicking human motion and can work for longer periods. Earlier this month, the CEO of one of the hottest robot startups, Figure AI, posted a video of the company's latest humanoid bot jogging in a manner eerily similar to a human.Dozens of robot startups are attracting huge investments, with around $5 billion being invested in humanoid robots this year, said Kelkar of McKinsey.FEV Consulting, which advises many robotics companies, predicts that by 2035 there will be around one million humanoid robots at work. Holding back the expansion is a lack of training data for robots, with many startups using humans wearing virtual-reality headsets to train robots. Others are experimenting with 3-D models of workspaces to speed up the process.But no one is sure how much training is required before robots can move from folding shirts to doing multiple household chores, said Dominik Boemer, a manager at FEV.\"Humanoids perhaps solve some specific problems, but it might not be as big of a market in the near term as everyone thinks it is,\" Jeff Mahler, chief technology officer at Ambi Robotics, which makes package-sorting robots.Ultimately, there is a more fundamental question to answer: Do we even need a robot with arms and legs?There are downsides to the human form: Robots that look like us are prone to tipping over and engineers struggle to create a mechanical version of the human hand. We rely on sensations from our skin to know how much pressure to apply, something robot builders struggle to replicate. Some engineers say the future isn't in replicating the human shape but in improving on it, with four hands instead of two, or suction grippers instead of fingers.\"My point of view is that we are sticking to the humanoid form too much, \" said Max Goncharov, the chief technology officer at RemBrain. \"In the factories, it's all about efficiency, and efficiency means more specialized robots.\"\"I think humanoids will do a tiny layer of tasks in factories in the future,\" Goncharov said.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"AMZN":2,"TSLA":2}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":0,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":338444329857304,"gmtCreate":1723640658889,"gmtModify":1723640663276,"author":{"id":"4090653780002860","authorId":"4090653780002860","name":"Quekcaihua","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/0fcb21021bc5d64771998041c8b26793","crmLevel":12,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"4090653780002860","idStr":"4090653780002860"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/NVDA\">$NVIDIA Corp(NVDA)$&nbsp;</a> It will reach $120&nbsp;","listText":"<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/NVDA\">$NVIDIA Corp(NVDA)$&nbsp;</a> It will reach $120&nbsp;","text":"$NVIDIA Corp(NVDA)$ It will reach $120","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/338444329857304","isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1716,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":276804636840048,"gmtCreate":1708605266729,"gmtModify":1708608306145,"author":{"id":"4090653780002860","authorId":"4090653780002860","name":"Quekcaihua","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/0fcb21021bc5d64771998041c8b26793","crmLevel":12,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"4090653780002860","idStr":"4090653780002860"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Replying to <a href=\"https://ttm.financial/U/3564215274244249\">@Shadowcloak</a>:$800//<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/U/3564215274244249\">@Shadowcloak</a>:$788","listText":"Replying to <a href=\"https://ttm.financial/U/3564215274244249\">@Shadowcloak</a>:$800//<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/U/3564215274244249\">@Shadowcloak</a>:$788","text":"Replying to @Shadowcloak:$800//@Shadowcloak:$788","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/276804636840048","isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":2238,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":219367330611328,"gmtCreate":1694582196622,"gmtModify":1694583974591,"author":{"id":"4090653780002860","authorId":"4090653780002860","name":"Quekcaihua","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/0fcb21021bc5d64771998041c8b26793","crmLevel":12,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"4090653780002860","idStr":"4090653780002860"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Share your opinion about this news…","listText":"Share your opinion about this news…","text":"Share your opinion about this news…","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/219367330611328","repostId":"2367623895","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2367623895","kind":"highlight","weMediaInfo":{"introduction":"Dow Jones publishes the world’s most trusted business news and financial information in a variety of media.","home_visible":0,"media_name":"Dow Jones","id":"106","head_image":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99"},"pubTimestamp":1694582089,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2367623895?lang=en_US&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2023-09-13 13:14","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Some Chinese Stocks Are a Real Bargain Now. Alibaba Is One of Them","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2367623895","media":"Dow Jones","summary":"Value managers routinely venture into markets that others are fleeing, and right now that makes China a natural destination.Veteran bargain hunters admit China's economic growth prospects look uncertain, and that policy makers may continue to stumble. But they calculate that Beijing will keep trying to stabilize the economy -- enough to create a tactical opportunity in pockets of the market.Investors have fled China as the recovery following three years of strict Covid restrictions, erratic policy steps and crackdown on its property market along with national champions like Internet giant Alibaba Group Holding  rattled confidence -- among households, businesses and investors.With the U.S. and China entering an even more tense relationship, many money managers have reined in their allocations to China and rolled out emerging markets ex-China funds for skittish clients.While Mallari-D'Auria sees some signs of stabilization in property prices from policy makers' gradual efforts in recent ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Value managers routinely venture into markets that others are fleeing, and right now that makes China a natural destination.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Veteran bargain hunters admit China’s economic growth prospects look uncertain, and that policy makers may continue to stumble. But they calculate that Beijing will keep trying to stabilize the economy—enough to create a tactical opportunity in pockets of the market.</p><p>Investors have fled China as the recovery following three years of strict Covid restrictions, erratic policy steps and crackdown on its property market along with national champions like Internet giant Alibaba Group Holding (ticker: BABA) rattled confidence—among households, businesses and investors.</p><p>With the U.S. and China entering an even more tense relationship, many money managers have reined in their allocations to China and rolled out emerging markets ex-China funds for skittish clients.</p><p>But for some emerging market veterans familiar with navigating erratic policy makers in developing markets, the cheap valuations in parts of the Chinese stock market are a draw. Arjun Divecha, founder of GMO Emerging Markets Equity, is still cautious about China but has become less worried about the country’s sluggish recovery from Covid.  </p><p>“That normalization of demand will happen, and there’s some evidence it is starting to happen if you look at car sales,” he says. “The government has been slow to reflate the economy for good reasons [due to its debt concerns] but I do think they will eventually succeed.”</p><p>BCA Research analysts highlighted glimpses of stabilization in the economy, with China’s credit growth improving in August and deflationary pressures seen earlier in the summer easing, with consumer prices up 0.1% versus the earlier year, better than the 0.3% decline in July.</p><p>The BCA analysts are looking for more proactive policy measures that will create significant economic improvement before becoming less bearish and rethinking their underweight recommendation to clients for Chinese assets.</p><p>But Louis Lau, director of investments at Brandes Investment Partners, tells <em>Barron’s</em> via email that he sees several potential avenues to improve investor sentiment, and he’s already looking for opportunities in internet stocks, life insurers, sportswear makers and the supply chain for solar.</p><p>For Henry Mallari-D’Auria, Ariel’s chief investment officer of global and emerging markets equities, the focus is on consumer-oriented companies he thinks will see faster growth in coming years, in part from Beijing’s efforts to revive confidence among households.</p><p>While Mallari-D’Auria sees some signs of stabilization in property prices from policy makers’ gradual efforts in recent weeks as laying the groundwork for repairing consumer sentiment. A couple of quarters of more stable property prices, as well as income growth and stronger auto sales would build the case consumer confidence is improving.</p><p>Such improvement will help the likes of Alibaba, which Mallari-D’Auria thinks can win in multiple ways. “There’s the cyclical rebound but the company is also restructuring itself,” he says.</p><p>Former Alibaba Chief Executive Daniel Zhang’s decision to step down two months after taking on the task of focusing on the company’s AliCloud unit creates a short-term cloud over the stock, which fell more than 4% on the news. The company said Zhang was leaving to run a new technology fund that AliGroup is expected to invest an initial $1 billion.<br/><br/>So far, Mallari-D’Auria doesn’t see the development changing the profit growth outlook for Alibaba’s core business nor does he see it changing the timetable for the unit’s spinoff.</p><p>A spinoff will help the valuation, but a near-term catalyst could come from signs confidence consumer spending is picking up. Recent cost-cutting at the company should also help. Though Mallari-D’Auria doesn’t expect valuations to return to pre-crackdown levels, he says investors can do well even if the stock bounces from its currently low valuation of nine times to 11 or 12 times earnings as confidence improves.</p><p>If consumers feel better about their prospects as Beijing delivers more stimulus, Mallari-D’Auria says automakers like Great Wall Motor (1210:Taiwan) could stand to benefit. Better auto sales would help but the company has a new sport-utility vehicle that allows them to take share at a higher profit per unit than in the past, and that should boost margins, he says.</p><p>While China may be growing at far slower pace of 3% to 5%, Divecha expects stronger growth in the areas Beijing is focused on, such as technology and in businesses related to the green transition, as its geopolitical tussle with the U.S. intensifies. The U.S. sanctions that have limited China’s access to critical technologies is spurring increased investment by Beijing into electric vehicles, semiconductor chips and computers to become less reliant on the world.</p><p>“It isn’t that growth has dropped off a cliff and will stay at zero forever or that something has fundamentally changed,” he says, noting long-term headwinds of a shrinking population and the country’s debt load. “You make more money when things go from truly awful to merely bad versus good to great.”</p><p>So far, that message hasn’t yet resonated with the market, with the iShares MSCI China exchange-traded fund (MCHI), down 5% so far this year. But that creates fertile shopping for patient bargain hunters looking to tap a near-term stabilization in the world’s second-largest economy.</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Some Chinese Stocks Are a Real Bargain Now. 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Alibaba Is One of Them\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<div class=\"head\" \">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Dow Jones </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2023-09-13 13:14</p>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><head></head><body><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Value managers routinely venture into markets that others are fleeing, and right now that makes China a natural destination.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Veteran bargain hunters admit China’s economic growth prospects look uncertain, and that policy makers may continue to stumble. But they calculate that Beijing will keep trying to stabilize the economy—enough to create a tactical opportunity in pockets of the market.</p><p>Investors have fled China as the recovery following three years of strict Covid restrictions, erratic policy steps and crackdown on its property market along with national champions like Internet giant Alibaba Group Holding (ticker: BABA) rattled confidence—among households, businesses and investors.</p><p>With the U.S. and China entering an even more tense relationship, many money managers have reined in their allocations to China and rolled out emerging markets ex-China funds for skittish clients.</p><p>But for some emerging market veterans familiar with navigating erratic policy makers in developing markets, the cheap valuations in parts of the Chinese stock market are a draw. Arjun Divecha, founder of GMO Emerging Markets Equity, is still cautious about China but has become less worried about the country’s sluggish recovery from Covid.  </p><p>“That normalization of demand will happen, and there’s some evidence it is starting to happen if you look at car sales,” he says. “The government has been slow to reflate the economy for good reasons [due to its debt concerns] but I do think they will eventually succeed.”</p><p>BCA Research analysts highlighted glimpses of stabilization in the economy, with China’s credit growth improving in August and deflationary pressures seen earlier in the summer easing, with consumer prices up 0.1% versus the earlier year, better than the 0.3% decline in July.</p><p>The BCA analysts are looking for more proactive policy measures that will create significant economic improvement before becoming less bearish and rethinking their underweight recommendation to clients for Chinese assets.</p><p>But Louis Lau, director of investments at Brandes Investment Partners, tells <em>Barron’s</em> via email that he sees several potential avenues to improve investor sentiment, and he’s already looking for opportunities in internet stocks, life insurers, sportswear makers and the supply chain for solar.</p><p>For Henry Mallari-D’Auria, Ariel’s chief investment officer of global and emerging markets equities, the focus is on consumer-oriented companies he thinks will see faster growth in coming years, in part from Beijing’s efforts to revive confidence among households.</p><p>While Mallari-D’Auria sees some signs of stabilization in property prices from policy makers’ gradual efforts in recent weeks as laying the groundwork for repairing consumer sentiment. A couple of quarters of more stable property prices, as well as income growth and stronger auto sales would build the case consumer confidence is improving.</p><p>Such improvement will help the likes of Alibaba, which Mallari-D’Auria thinks can win in multiple ways. “There’s the cyclical rebound but the company is also restructuring itself,” he says.</p><p>Former Alibaba Chief Executive Daniel Zhang’s decision to step down two months after taking on the task of focusing on the company’s AliCloud unit creates a short-term cloud over the stock, which fell more than 4% on the news. The company said Zhang was leaving to run a new technology fund that AliGroup is expected to invest an initial $1 billion.<br/><br/>So far, Mallari-D’Auria doesn’t see the development changing the profit growth outlook for Alibaba’s core business nor does he see it changing the timetable for the unit’s spinoff.</p><p>A spinoff will help the valuation, but a near-term catalyst could come from signs confidence consumer spending is picking up. Recent cost-cutting at the company should also help. Though Mallari-D’Auria doesn’t expect valuations to return to pre-crackdown levels, he says investors can do well even if the stock bounces from its currently low valuation of nine times to 11 or 12 times earnings as confidence improves.</p><p>If consumers feel better about their prospects as Beijing delivers more stimulus, Mallari-D’Auria says automakers like Great Wall Motor (1210:Taiwan) could stand to benefit. Better auto sales would help but the company has a new sport-utility vehicle that allows them to take share at a higher profit per unit than in the past, and that should boost margins, he says.</p><p>While China may be growing at far slower pace of 3% to 5%, Divecha expects stronger growth in the areas Beijing is focused on, such as technology and in businesses related to the green transition, as its geopolitical tussle with the U.S. intensifies. The U.S. sanctions that have limited China’s access to critical technologies is spurring increased investment by Beijing into electric vehicles, semiconductor chips and computers to become less reliant on the world.</p><p>“It isn’t that growth has dropped off a cliff and will stay at zero forever or that something has fundamentally changed,” he says, noting long-term headwinds of a shrinking population and the country’s debt load. “You make more money when things go from truly awful to merely bad versus good to great.”</p><p>So far, that message hasn’t yet resonated with the market, with the iShares MSCI China exchange-traded fund (MCHI), down 5% so far this year. 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But they calculate that Beijing will keep trying to stabilize the economy—enough to create a tactical opportunity in pockets of the market.Investors have fled China as the recovery following three years of strict Covid restrictions, erratic policy steps and crackdown on its property market along with national champions like Internet giant Alibaba Group Holding (ticker: BABA) rattled confidence—among households, businesses and investors.With the U.S. and China entering an even more tense relationship, many money managers have reined in their allocations to China and rolled out emerging markets ex-China funds for skittish clients.But for some emerging market veterans familiar with navigating erratic policy makers in developing markets, the cheap valuations in parts of the Chinese stock market are a draw. Arjun Divecha, founder of GMO Emerging Markets Equity, is still cautious about China but has become less worried about the country’s sluggish recovery from Covid.  “That normalization of demand will happen, and there’s some evidence it is starting to happen if you look at car sales,” he says. “The government has been slow to reflate the economy for good reasons [due to its debt concerns] but I do think they will eventually succeed.”BCA Research analysts highlighted glimpses of stabilization in the economy, with China’s credit growth improving in August and deflationary pressures seen earlier in the summer easing, with consumer prices up 0.1% versus the earlier year, better than the 0.3% decline in July.The BCA analysts are looking for more proactive policy measures that will create significant economic improvement before becoming less bearish and rethinking their underweight recommendation to clients for Chinese assets.But Louis Lau, director of investments at Brandes Investment Partners, tells Barron’s via email that he sees several potential avenues to improve investor sentiment, and he’s already looking for opportunities in internet stocks, life insurers, sportswear makers and the supply chain for solar.For Henry Mallari-D’Auria, Ariel’s chief investment officer of global and emerging markets equities, the focus is on consumer-oriented companies he thinks will see faster growth in coming years, in part from Beijing’s efforts to revive confidence among households.While Mallari-D’Auria sees some signs of stabilization in property prices from policy makers’ gradual efforts in recent weeks as laying the groundwork for repairing consumer sentiment. A couple of quarters of more stable property prices, as well as income growth and stronger auto sales would build the case consumer confidence is improving.Such improvement will help the likes of Alibaba, which Mallari-D’Auria thinks can win in multiple ways. “There’s the cyclical rebound but the company is also restructuring itself,” he says.Former Alibaba Chief Executive Daniel Zhang’s decision to step down two months after taking on the task of focusing on the company’s AliCloud unit creates a short-term cloud over the stock, which fell more than 4% on the news. The company said Zhang was leaving to run a new technology fund that AliGroup is expected to invest an initial $1 billion.So far, Mallari-D’Auria doesn’t see the development changing the profit growth outlook for Alibaba’s core business nor does he see it changing the timetable for the unit’s spinoff.A spinoff will help the valuation, but a near-term catalyst could come from signs confidence consumer spending is picking up. Recent cost-cutting at the company should also help. Though Mallari-D’Auria doesn’t expect valuations to return to pre-crackdown levels, he says investors can do well even if the stock bounces from its currently low valuation of nine times to 11 or 12 times earnings as confidence improves.If consumers feel better about their prospects as Beijing delivers more stimulus, Mallari-D’Auria says automakers like Great Wall Motor (1210:Taiwan) could stand to benefit. Better auto sales would help but the company has a new sport-utility vehicle that allows them to take share at a higher profit per unit than in the past, and that should boost margins, he says.While China may be growing at far slower pace of 3% to 5%, Divecha expects stronger growth in the areas Beijing is focused on, such as technology and in businesses related to the green transition, as its geopolitical tussle with the U.S. intensifies. The U.S. sanctions that have limited China’s access to critical technologies is spurring increased investment by Beijing into electric vehicles, semiconductor chips and computers to become less reliant on the world.“It isn’t that growth has dropped off a cliff and will stay at zero forever or that something has fundamentally changed,” he says, noting long-term headwinds of a shrinking population and the country’s debt load. “You make more money when things go from truly awful to merely bad versus good to great.”So far, that message hasn’t yet resonated with the market, with the iShares MSCI China exchange-traded fund (MCHI), down 5% so far this year. 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