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Bull or Bear Market? AI Spurs Rethink of Traditional Market Measures

AI spurs rethink of traditional market measuresSept 2 -Everyone knows Wall Street calls a 20% drop in a major index a bear market. But what do you call it when the index posts big gains and losses practically every day and is still way up for the year?

Bull or Bear Market? AI Spurs Rethink of Traditional Market Measures

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Deeper structural forces in the market need to be negative for a bear market to be real, such as high interest rates and peaking of the economy,&#34; said David Russell, global head of market strategy at TradeStation.Moving averages, which track the average price movement over a period, and Fibonacci retracement, used to identify potential levels where a stock&#39;s decline may slow or reverse, could also be used to guide positioning, other investors said.Interactive Brokers&#39; Sosnick said that a decline must at least exceed the index&#39;s one-year historical volatility on an annualized basis to be considered a bear market. 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Riley Wealth.The Philadelphia SE Semiconductor Index .SOX, a benchmark for chip stocks, and South Korea&#39;s tech-heavy KOSPI both entered bear markets in July, based on the traditional measure. But even at their troughs, the indexes were still up 46% and 25%, respectively, for the year, thanks to triple-digit percentage gains over the past year.If that&#39;s a bear, it&#39;s not a particularly unfriendly one at the very least.&#34;These labels that people use probably make some sense for broad markets, but not for indexes such as SOX and KOSPI, which have had crazy parabolic runs,&#34; said Steve Sosnick, chief strategist at Interactive Brokers.While the debate may seem academic to some, the labels shape how investors perceive the severity of selloffs, and in the past have served as important markers to distinguish between routine pullbacks and a long-term shift in fundamentals.A bear market can last for months. Since 1928, bear markets in the S&amp;P 500 have on average lasted 289 days, or about 9.6 months, according to data from Hartford Funds.WHAT&#39;S A BETTER MEASURE?The debate on what constitutes a bear market is hardly new. In a 2008 blog post, Barry Ritholtz, co-founder and chief investment officer of Ritholtz Wealth Management, urged investors to ignore the &#34;squishy terminology.&#34;But what seems like a semantic distinction can carry real investment consequences.Given the potential boost from the AI boom, investors risk missing out on gains if traditional labels give them a false signal to sell. 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